Post subject: The buddy at work who...
Knows the old man and helps him run his trot lines in the upper Neches by Colmeisneil says the old man came over freaked out about hearing this monkey in the woods. Supposedly....He has a oversized human tooth! That he found. If so...I'm heading up to get it....we will see. Neither one will say BF. My buddy laughs a little when he talks about it. He knows I am interested. ...OMG....I'm interested alright but apprehensive....He showed my the size with his index finger and thumb. He is back in it...and says that he hears stuff and he and his young son live back by the river. I told him not let his son go to far off and he kinda turned pale green as he said there's nothing put there but I wont. I will let you know....I'm planning to put it in a bag...if it's real....any ideas? Biggiejim. ..Super...DW...Darkwind
Author: therealsuperdave [ Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:36 am ]
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Tom, from a forensics website: Most items of evidence will be collected in paper containers such as packets, envelopes, and bags. Liquid items can be transported in non-breakable, leakproof containers. Arson evidence is usually collected in air-tight, clean metal cans. Only large quantities of dry powder should be collected and stored in plastic bags. Moist or wet evidence (blood, plants, etc.) from a crime scene can be collected in plastic containers at the scene and transported back to an evidence receiving area if the storage time in plastic is two hours or less and this is done to prevent contamination of other evidence. Once in a secure location, wet evidence, whether packaged in plastic or paper, must be removed and allowed to completely air dry. That evidence can then be repackaged in a new, dry paper container. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD EVIDENCE CONTAINING MOISTURE BE PACKAGED IN PLASTIC OR PAPER CONTAINERS FOR MORE THAN TWO HOURS. Moisture allows the growth of microorganisms which can destroy or alter evidence.
also, it would be good to follow good forensics protocols for documenting "chain of custody".
after you have the tooth in your possession, please try to take many photographs of the tooth with good lighting, from various angles, with a ruler in the photo showing the size.
next, we can ask a local dentist if it appears to be human, canine, ursus, or if it can be identified with any indiginous animals. may also ask a vet to examine the tooth. if all the experts find the probable donor as inconclusive, then it may need to go to a DNA lab. This could cost up to several thousand dollars for a DNA comparison, and a source of funding may be needed.
if you can find a local dentist and a local vet to verify it is not from a known animal, we can contact the Texas A&M Veterinary School to see if they will examine the tooth.
Author: therealsuperdave [ Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:41 am ]
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Tom, if the tooth turns out to be important evidence, scientists will want to know who found it, where it was found, who have handled it since it was first found, etc.
This info will be needed by the DNA lab as well. be sure to discuss this and get as much information as possible from the person who has the tooth.
put the tooth in a paper envelope, and put that envelope inside a larger envelope. write the date on the outside of the envelope and sign your signature next to the date.
everytime someone opens the envelope, make sure they date and sign the outside envelope.
inside the first envelope, with the tooth, write the name, address, phone number of the owner of the tooth, a brief description of where it was found, who found it, and date originally found on an index card or a piece of paper.
Try to keep the evidence in your possession and in eyesight at all times. treat it like a valuable diamond- you wouldn't want someone stealing it.
Author: therealsuperdave [ Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:56 am ]
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One other thing to consider is it could have been remains from a crime scene. if you contact law enforcement officials, they may want to conduct a crime investigation. If this were to occur, you would lose control of the tooth and may not ever get it back in your possession.
if human in origin, it could be an important archeological find, and may need carbon dating to determine the age. A university may be willing to have it carbon dated if they feel it could be from a native american origin or prehistoric.
Author: Rebelistic [ Mon May 02, 2016 2:02 pm ]
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Superdave is right. IF this is possible evidence it needs to be documented. When talking to the fella, use a digital recorder so that details aren't lost. It would be interesting to see the pictures.
Author: easttxwood [ Tue May 03, 2016 5:00 am ]
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Gotcha....at this point my plan is to go there on Friday after work. If the tooth is real or looks real. I will call Superdave. Possibly....he can step by step coach me through the scenario or possibly get to Colmiesnel. Its approx. 2 hours from Tyler.
This used to be a 2nd house for my co-worker and since then through a marriage breakup he has moved there permanently. He has recently come back to our company after being away. He told me of this same old guy saying that there are howler monkeys out in the forests a couple yrs ago. The old man was continuously saying this and Mike just kinda raised his eyebrows about that. The old fisherman said he been on that river for 50+years and said that he'd never heard this before.With this guy mentioning this almost daily and mike having a couple of boats. I am going to hang around for a while. Apparently, the house is inline with 3 others at the end of a county road back in woods and Mikes house is last. He is about 20 yard from the Neches. This part of the river before it joins with the Angelina is pretty remote. The old man insists that the monkeys escaped from the Lufkin Zoo. This goes back to a previous comment i think by Biggijim about troops of feral monkeys in Tx. If you have ever seen these animals in the zoo or anywhere else you can imagine the ruckus they could make howling down a river corridor. The tooth to me sounds too good to be true so I should have mentioned this originally however i will follow up like its truth. My buddy who I believe is being truthful knows my interest and kind of sought me out as much as one can down here and volunteered the info. Colmiesnel (sp) is almost 2.5 hours from work and home. That's why i havnt been yet. With oil and gas picking up.a little work has as well thank god..Im the only guy on here praying for 3 dollar gas again most likely.
The other concern is if the tooth is real....I would rather stay in the background. I don't want to be the target of the BF community. Like I have said this is a personal question of existence and although i am 99.997 percent sure of their existence...i need answers. So, If it is real or authentic....Super or Gearman or whoever may want to come once I know the location.
Author: therealsuperdave [ Tue May 03, 2016 7:38 am ]
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Tom, I would be happy to meet you there when you can arrange to go, just keep me posted.
This year the MABRC has organized a team of 7 experienced researchers to serve as a committee to evaluate possible sasquatch evidence and offer advice to any member who finds possible evidence. They would be the perfect team for examining the tooth and offering an opinion.
If it turns out to be a significant piece of evidence, they will announce it to the BF community on your behalf and will give you credit, or keep your name confidential, whichever you prefer. They would like to examine the tooth in person, but would accept photographs. If they can examine it in person, they will return the tooth to you and protect any cofidential information such as the precise location where the tooth was found.
Author: therealsuperdave [ Wed May 04, 2016 6:48 pm ]
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check out this youtube video interview with Mike Rudd. He had a possible bigfoot tooth. When he tried to have the DNA tested, the DNA labs "lost" the samples. He now only has a tiny part of the tooth, plus a cast he made before letting people take parts of the tooth. And still no confirmation of the animal. It appears there is an important lesson here when thinking of sending a sample to a lab for DNA analysis...
Author: easttxwood [ Tue May 10, 2016 4:31 am ]
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That tooth has still not shown up unfortunately. I had to unexpectantly work all weekend and made plans to try to retrieve it Sunday. I drove the hour and half to no avail. I fear this may have been BS and I look pretty stupid. There is still an outside chance but I am not holding my breath. My bad for announcing important evidence before i had seen it. Lesson learned. Ironically, I recently told my 4 yr old the Boy who cried wolf story...should have listened to my own voice.
Author: Rebelistic [ Tue May 10, 2016 10:20 am ]
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It is best to always follow up. Yep some are wild goose chases but you'd hate to miss something important. Great Job!!
Author: YankeeSearch [ Tue May 17, 2016 8:00 pm ]
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Been there; done that with stuff I posted on this site and wish I had not.easttxwood wrote:
That tooth has still not shown up unfortunately. I had to unexpectantly work all weekend and made plans to try to retrieve it Sunday. I drove the hour and half to no avail. I fear this may have been BS and I look pretty stupid. There is still an outside chance but I am not holding my breath. My bad for announcing important evidence before i had seen it. Lesson learned. Ironically, I recently told my 4 yr old the Boy who cried wolf story...should have listened to my own voice.
Author: GEARMAN [ Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:33 am ]
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Anything since last update easttxwood ?
Author: easttxwood [ Tue Jul 19, 2016 4:30 am ]
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No...it turns out that most likely the tooth was most likely a hog's. I did go to Ok. and spend a couple of days with Robert Dodson. Really hot up there. I did encounter the last night an incredible vocal that we caught on cam. I really like Leflore County Ok. He has been there for 4 months. Anyway...1 day i will get the luxury of doing similar excursions.
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